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English conversation ability is not useful if lived in japan but the reading ability is very useful. Many people try to improve colloquial conversation fluency, it is preposterous thing. Set down the venerable burden and let your insufficient time use reading.
>>14 you have to buy new clothing if you become ゴリマッチョ as your physical appearnce largely changes. i don't hope for that. fitness is the only thing i want to achieve for the time being.
it is embarrassing for me when my shoulders and biceps are exposed to other people's attention. so tank tops are not my choice, half-sleeved shirts are enough.
i am suprised to know that sugar may be addictive like alcohol or tobacco or drugs. i am not sure if there is some scientific study to show that it is definitely true. i want to know how much sugar you should take a day.
Hey, wanted to make a new thread but fucked up and posted in another thread for translating Japanese to English. Just gonna copypaste what I wrote, with some edits.
俺はカナダ人です、よろしく 日本語が下手下手です、それでも何でも聞いて
google翻訳を使うからわかりにくいと思うけど、ネイティブが答えるから。
As for me, I want to know why you're interested in English. To learn the lingua franka of the world? To impress your girlfriend? Cause you have nothing better to do? Let me know! Doesn't matter if your replies are in English or Japanese because I'll just throw it into google translate if I can't read it. Preferably English since this is an English convo thread.
>>38 ...detrimental to who, might I ask? I'm just in this thread to chat and answer potential questions you might have for a Canadian, like do we have polar bears as pets, etc.
>>40 >>41 (Phone posting cause I needed to get out of the house) I have German heritage. I actually love korean and asian food in general and have a few korean and chinese friends, but the real issue here in Canada is the fucking chinese and the CPP's influence on the chinese communities in Canada. While westernized chinese people aren't the big issue, misinformation spread by mainland China to mandarin speakers is just screwing up the concept of the melting pot. We even had protests in Vancouver in favor of the CPP because of the Hong Kong situation.
Thought I should add my two cents to this. Sugar activates the same receptors in the brain that cocain and heroin do. We evolved as a species to seek out sugar because that's energy. Berries, fruit, etc. all have sugar. Only reason why pure sugar is still legal is because there's money to be made.
High fructose corn syrup is also sugar, but is metabolized differently then cane/beat sugar. It's probably the main reason why americans are getting as fat as they are. We're all sugar addicts. Such is the current plight of humanity.
>>49 I visited the US twice and Germany 3 times throughout the last decade. Visiting Japan would be the first time going somewhere in the world alone for me.
I'm somewhat of a weeb--been doing some Gunpla and finished a Zaku II--but the language, culture, and landscapes interest me too. Shinto temples, Mt.Fuji, various cities with it's huge metropolitan landscape, and the countrysides in between. I'm not full-on crazy like some foreigners are, but it'd be a nice change in destination for a vacation.
If you like chatting about food and don't mind using imageboards, 4chan has a food&cooking board if you want to use that to improve your English. The memes and colloquial might be a bit jarring at first, but I think I had that same situation with browsing 2channel.
>>57 I agree. 10years ago people blame people who not to use ＊sage. In Japan, too aggressive people aren't accepted. So I use ＊sage unconsciously due to old habit.
i woke up to notice that lid of a fan, attached inside my house, had been blown away by strong wind of the typhoon no.15 during the night. it was like a big hole was dug through the wall and small animals would have been able to come through it into the house.
>>65 because it's easier and faster for me to type only lower case letters. if it doesn't make sense, i will instantly switch to using upper case letters.
As far as the number of posts is concerned, there are almost no posts other than operatives'. As a result of the operatives continuing to distort information, the English board lost its trust and was depopulated. It is now a waste board. There is no writing other than the operatives' faked stories. They operatives look so miserable.
>>68 Do schools teach computer typing in Japan? I was taught it in elementary school, and even with capitalization I have a 70 WPM typing speed.
>>71 Kek, are you that much of a conspiracy theorist? ...although now I said kek, now you think I'm a fucking korean spy. In the west it's more of a different version of lol.
>>84 That's great. Still I can sense quite the hostility towards Koreans in particular.
>>83 Ya know who also said that? The fucking Nazis. Don't aspire to be a Nazi. Full Metal Jacket has quite a good scene pertaining to this. ダウンロード＆関連動画＞＞
>>85 Agreed. There's a time and place for politics. This isn't one of those. Anyone who disagrees can move over to 4chan's /pol/ board. They'll like you there.
i want to be able to make international calls without hesitation. (or reply to international calls at office) it must be really nice to talk with foreigners in english.
what is ω of (´･ω･)? this is a question i've been trying to answer for a long time. a mouth or nose? or it represents both of them at the same time? you can't find an answer by googling it...that's too bad.
>>88 some says it is actually a nose. but who cares? a lot of people on the internet use Kaomojis with that character believing it's nose, including me. w
After getting my hair cut, I stopped by at a shopping centre and got so many attentions from ladies and some guys. I know it’s a sin to be super hot like me.
Humanity evolved to adapt to their climates. Everything from skin color to nether regions. A higher surface area allows you to cool down faster as you sweat. Bigger dong, higher surface area. Europeans had to deal with long, cold winters. Because of that, less surface area is desirable.
i noticed many cars attached some device on their roofs. it cast bright green lights and the lights were turning around. obviously the cars were not ambulances or fire trucks. what are they??
the other day, when i went out taking a walk at night, a little girl walked toward me alone. she seemed only 7-8 years old and it's almost 10p.m. i couldn't help but frown at her, and also wondered where the hell her parents were at that time.
It’s too late for you to realise that, dude. Everytime I go to a local mall centre after work like at 9pm, I see some young-ish parents with a little kid like 3 or 4 years age.
This is pretty the norm in Japan now. You need to adjust to it.
>>98 Depending on location in relation to the equator, your ancestors would have gone through evolution gaining different traits. With asians, narrow eyes and similar physiology to europeans were the favorable trait.
>>99 We have something similar in Canada for my area. These are SUVs used to suppliment ambulances and fire rescue. Then again you said they wern't emergency services so I have no idea.
>>103 Sadly not. It's only required to learn french from grades 1 through 6. After that, it becomes optional. Doesn't matter. Since grade 1, I was learning German in a bilingual school system my area has. I dropped out of German in grade 12 though because I'd have to take the C level Sprachdiplom (German equivalent to N1 JLPT). I really didn't care about having that certification since it's only useful for interpretation jobs and working/studying in Germany if you aren't a citizen. However since I am both Canadian and German, no Sprachdiplom required.
If you don't know french, working as a public servant is close to impossible due to preferential treatment of francophones and those who speak french.
>>104 Exchange programs are amazing and fun to do. I did one in grade 8 for a trip to Germany. Australia is a good choice too. Their accent and slang might be difficult for ESL students to understand though. How was your experience in Australia?
>>102 if those cars were used for emergency purposes (to suppliment ambulances and fire rescue) they should make loud warning sounds with sirens or ask for other car's cooperation through loudspeakers or microphones.
>>101 i think those young ish parents must take better care of their children. the children will have a difficulty breaking the bad habit when they begin to go to school.
some people like to pursue the latest, up to date version of electronic devices. when iphone x models were launched a few years ago, they emailed me the pictures of them (or sent messages with pics through line app). i wonder how many people will do the same thing with iphone 11 in 2020.
I still use the flip phone. That is ＊garakee in Japanese. But It was tiresome to check out the correct word to me. So I wrote ＊galapagos portable phone to soneone in the youtube comment section. I don't know he understood me.
>>113 Being Bilingual is pretty nice. I have German TV streaming so I sometimes watch german dubbed cartoons and programming. They even have dubbed anime. Watched a couple early episodes of Bleach but the dub was a bit unbareable. When it comes to Anime I usually watch subbed content 9 times out of 10.
French pronounciation isn't much of an issue for English speakers, but the written form is absolutely horrendous. Coupled with Japanese's limited phonetics and grammar, I can only imagine the nightmare Japanese people have when learning French. I've heard that Spanish is easier for Japanese people to learn. Is that true?
>>115 ...why is that though? If he was just looking for a rice bunny to pump and dump then I could understand. Blocking him right when he started messaging you kinda defeats the purpose of dating apps altogether.
>>116 Yes. Spanish is so much easier for Japanese when it comes to pronunciation. Gramatically speaking, Korean is the easiest language for Japanese, but no interest.
I wish I could speak Mandarin. But no time, no motivation, no money to learn the language from scratch.
i am going to have a job interview the day after the respect-for-senior-citizens day. so i need to prepare for it. as per the job description, this position requires a basic level of english-speaking skill. i am wondering if the part of the interview is done in english to evaluate how i can speak english...?
>>122 It might. As long as your pronounciation isn't total shit and you can get your message across, that should meet the definition of basic English in Japan imo. Good luck with the interview, hope it goes well. If you really wanna practice, maybe look for some pronounciation practice videos on YouTube or something similar. Rosetta stone maybe?
>>122 Don’t think serious too much. The important thing is the passion to telling to the interviewer how you feel and consider about a certain topic. Just fake it till you make it!
>>127 Not trying to sound mean, but what hardships? You're in a first-world country that is one of the powerhouse economies. Just trying to understand your perspective.
>>128 If you are white and speak English, you are basically invincible.
Japan is not a wealthy country anymore. People are struggling a lot. Everything is getting expensive, taxes are getting higher, incomes are getting lower etc etc
>>133 Sales tax increase because government actually want to get increase politician's salary not for lack of pension money.
But our income is the same. So we have to save or not buy anything we don't really need. Then company can't get money from us. Then our salary don't get increase. So Japanese economy will never be better.
If I want to get out of rat race, I have to not waist my money at least. I don't count on our government. I will save my life by myself.
Someone said you can make money by fx. But my image of fx is dangerous. But he said if you bet little money, It's not dangerous. I'm wondering I'll do or not.
in the case of fx, there is no floor of the loss you have to compensate when you lose the bet. if it is the kind of trade of future of for example wheat, as long as it’s trade is done through japanese companies all you have to lose is the money you put in advance before you begin the bet. but, in fx, the circumstance differs from it. and, for trades, large leverage is used, so, so small amount of the price changes may bring you huge amount of losses. i recommend you not to bother with the fox.
Recently I realised that the number of foreign workers in my city is increasing. Everytime I go to a dollar store, イオン, 業務スーパー, or some specific stores, I encounter tons of gaijins like Filipinos, Brazillians, etc etc
I’m not complaining because they are good, legit hard workers unlike white gaijins.
>>140 Eh, some people are going to be like that. The same can be said of some japanese people.
Work ethic isn't always predetermined by race. But here in North America and other english speaking countries, teaching English in Japan is marketed as something that anyone with a bachelors degree can do. I've even considered it myself.
>>144 State universities aren't all that bad. Coming from one doesn't mean you're as dumb as a rock. Sometimes you can't really afford the creme dela creme in terms of university.
>>147 Yikes. Now that I think about it, having just the Japanese vowels and consonants in your repertoire of sounds would make speaking English a nightmare. How long did it take for you to be able to speak English? Is how you speak close to how a native speaker would talk?
>>145 Canadian universities also are expensive like American ones? My friend went to this university in Californial and said the tuition fee is $55,000 a year plus dorm fee, etc etc
But she is on the wealthy side so her parents pay everything for her. Well, she went to a private international school in Tokyo. Obviously you can’t attend those schools unless you are very rich...
>>150 It depends on the school, program, etc. I pay $5000 CAD a year for 2 semesters' tuition for my program. This is for a 2 year diploma program where it counts as two years towards a bachelors degree. As a foreign student, your tuition is increased to subsedise Canadians with their lower tuition.
State universities and other institutions will have different costs. Some universities might give you financial assistance depending on socioeconomic status though.
The situation is similar in Canada compared to the US, but there are a multitude of differences between the two to take into consideration.
This gaijin tends to think Japanese is easy to pronounce due to its limited phonetics. This is clearly a wrong assumption because the most difficult part of pronouncing Japanese is intonation. I have never met any non-native speakers who have no trouble speaking it correctly no matter how many years they live in Japan. It seems almost impossible to master it without having native parents.
>>154 Obviously intonation would be a difficult part of Japanese. It's hard for any language. But the limited phonetics make it somewhat easy for non-japanese people to learn the language, at least from my perspective.
If someone immerses themselves in the media of a given language, the intonation would be easy to pick up over time.
Recently I realised this. The English ability is so useless here in Japan. It is such a waste of time, money, efforts. Schools should do away with English classes. Or English should be selective or something. Def not a mandatory subject!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>161 Basic English skills are needed for programming, large corporations with foreign HQs, shitposting on 5chan's english board, etc. If you don't use it on a semi-daily basis, great. I'm happy for you. But English skills are king in Japan for major corporations, and just in general.
>>162 ...well? Are you? I just can't tell. It's nice that whatever I put into the namefield is displayed here. On quite a few boards on 4chan, you need a browser extention to just see whatever someone puts into the namefield if they don't tripfag.
>>163 Though you are writing major companies in this country requires employees to acquire English skills, employees almost don't need it for their business, but only for their promotion where their company impose it as a condition to be promoted, to get good scores in TOEIC. Worthless efforts is it, don't you think so?
>>167 let's watch some lecture videos on youtube where teachers talk about topics you're not interested in at all. it would successfully make you sleepy and fall asleep.
>>169 L and R don't even sound that similar to me. The way I think it, L(el) and R(arr) have slightly different tounge forms for making the sound. L makes my tounge curl slightly to the tip of the roof of my mouth with the tip of my tounge. R on the other hand has my tongue curl to the back of my mouth with the underside of my tounge touching the middle roof of my mouth. Don't know if that makes any sense, but the sound difference is there.
>>181 I can pronounce them. But listening is difficult. By the way I heard native speaker children don't know difference between TH and F sound. Is that true?
Those two words are written by voice typing. I know how to pronounce it because of a good teacher called Summer on YouTube. It's relatively easy to pronounce them compared to the difficulties hearing the differences between them. Once I saw a article on BBC that says when you are a baby you can distinguish all sounds but when you grow up you will lose the ability because it is no longer necessary to discern them in your native language.
>>189 i heard that 江戸っ子 has a difficulty pronouncing japanese "Shi". "Hi" seems to come out of his/her mouth instead... i don't know the reason for this.
long time ago a japanese student seemed to be shot to death in the us after unintentionally?? trespassing someone's garden or backyard. the owner shouted at him "freeze!" but he was said to take it as "please!" and go further against the owner's will. i am not sure if this story was true or not.
>>192 From what I can gather, お is the correct pronounciation for を. In romaji, it's typed out as "wo". Don't know how you got うお, but than again I'm just an idiot 外人.
today, when i travelled by train, my eyes caught a highschool girl standing alone by a door. what made me so surprised is how skinny her legs were. they looked like two old branches of a tree. i wondered how they hold her body as she got off and walked away swiftly. i wanted to tell her to eat a lot more at least until she comes of age.
a recent study shows that tomatoes have bad influence on your hair (on your head) and eating tomatoes may promote you going bald. i like tomatoes and this is obviously a shocking news.
>>217 ...then go to IKEA. I don't know if the Japanese locations are similar to the Canadian ones, but their meatballs are alright, along with their soft serve. Although it's not as good as McDonalds soft serve.
I had subscribed English newspapers to upgrade reading for nothing. I might have been mentally retarded...Anyway, I do not have any kinds of TALENTS. Less than ZERO...
>>216 There are only 8 IKEA stores in Japan. It takes me about 2 hours to get there from my house. I also have to take the express way which costs me about 100 dollars.
at a seven-eleven store, i found "lipovitan D hyper" newly released and added to the lipovitan D lineup. i quickly picked up a bottle and bought it. it's interesting that "D" is not english but german.
>>222 Weird. I live about half an hour by car, so it's more a "something we can do anytime" kinda thing. How much would it cost if you drove on your highway? I heard toll booths are insanely expensive in Japan.
i've been attracted to a smartphone game "uncolle". the title "uncolle" is a combination of two words, "unko (japanese word for poop)" and "collection". the japan poop society has participated in the project to increase people's awareness of unko and unko-related health.
I have just tried an online English lesson for the first time. I am feeling totally exausted because right now, because I had to put an extreme strain on my brain during the entire session, recollecting appropriate words and senstences…
>>233 I really hope so. The problem is my trial period has expired and I now have to pay billion bucks. (But probably well worth the price considering the effect!)
>>236 I think I should, as the one I tried was actually DMM and they currently charge around ¥6500 at the cheapest (i.e. 1 session/day). Thank you for your advice!
240名無しさん＠日本語勉強中 (CA 0H69-Dkz/)2019/09/24(火) 07:28:19.39ID:sGonzLr8H
>>231 >>232 Your English (at least in written form) sounds quite good and natural. You are definitely on the right track. Keep it up! If you don't mind me asking, how have you been studying English? I'm a native English speaker who's studying Japanese, and my main philosophy when it comes to studying is "input before output". That is, I try to immerse myself (in other words, "get input") in natural Japanese as much as possible, so that I actually understand the language before trying to speak (in other words, "output") by myself. I'm wondering if you are using a similar approach for your English, especially since you said it was your first English lession. If so, then it seems to be working for you.
241名無しさん＠日本語勉強中 (CA 0H69-Dkz/)2019/09/24(火) 07:43:11.25ID:sGonzLr8H
I just want to ask something to all the native Japanese speakers in this thread. ダウンロード＆関連動画＞＞
Would you say that this guy's Japanese is good? Be honest. I ask because I'm mainly following this guy's advice for how to learn languages. He sounds quite good to me, but I'm not a Japanese native, so I don't feel like I can really accurately judge for myself.
243名無しさん＠日本語勉強中 (CA 0H69-Dkz/)2019/09/24(火) 09:37:38.83ID:sGonzLr8H
>>242 Thank you for the response. I hadn't heard of Marsha Krakower before. It seems like she was born in Japan, so she's probably been getting Japanese input all her life, and is basically a native. Thane Camus's Japanese is also perfect from what I hear, but he's been living in Japan since he was like 6, so he's also gotten tons of input and practice. I bet his Japanese is probably even better than his English by now.
I think Matt (from the video I linked) is pretty impressive because he learned Japanese without leaving the United States, so he didn't get the advantage of getting to live in Japan and being surrounded by the language all the time. He had to build a "Japanese-only" environment all on his own, mainly through the internet. I'm trying to replicate his approach since I have no plans to actually ever go to Japan, but I would like to know the language.
I think, with all the materials available on the internet to read and listen to, we could all become fluent in our target languages by simply immersing ourselves in it all the time!
>>243 I didn't know she was born in Japan. How about Peter Barakan？
Matt Japanese isn't perfect. But it's incredible to get that ability without living in Japan.
245名無しさん＠日本語勉強中 (CA 0H69-Dkz/)2019/09/24(火) 10:15:54.58ID:sGonzLr8H
>>154 You are correct. I think one reason for this is that almost no Japanese students are aware that pitch accent (高低アクセント) is a thing that even exists, or if they do, they don't think it's important. The canonical examples are how 箸が, 端が, and 橋が all have different pitch accent when spoken. Or 雨 and 飴. For most students of Japanese, their study of pitch accent stops at these two examples. But it's not just these words; really, EVERY word in Japanese has its own pitch accent, just like how every word in English has its own stress on certain syllables. However, because you don't "need" correct pitch accent to simply be *understood*, most Japanese language students think that Japanese pronunciation is easy, even though their intonation sounds unnatural as fuck, and they're constantly getting pitch accent wrong.
It's not like Chinese where bad pronunciation will keep you from being understood. But people who say "Japanese is easy" seriously underestimate how hard it is to reach a native level at speaking the language. I've already accepted that I will probably never get to a "native level", but I would still be happy just being "very good".
246名無しさん＠日本語勉強中 (CA 0H69-Dkz/)2019/09/24(火) 10:28:18.81ID:sGonzLr8H
>>244 Peter Barakan seems to have been born and raised in England, so if his Japanese is really perfect, then that's certainly impressive. I wonder why some people are able to able to learn foreign languages to perfection, while others never reach that point, even after immersing themselves in the language for decades. Does it come down to their studying habits, or just some sort of natural abilities?
At any rate, in English we have a common saying: "Don't let perfect be the enemy of good". In other words, it's better to keep trying and to become very good at something, than to give up because you feel like you will never be perfect.
>>246 You don't need to be perfect. I can't speak English that much. But I'm interested in perfect speaking person. I mean I want to know how they learned foreign language.
248名無しさん＠日本語勉強中 (CA 0H69-Dkz/)2019/09/24(火) 11:13:28.34ID:sGonzLr8H
>>247 Yeah, same. I'm also very interested in their methods. Those guys like Peter Barakan could probably make tons of money if they marketed their language learning methods to the masses. But they seem less interested in that, and more interested in just living their lives. Maybe they just don't want us to know their secret...
>>246 I'm not trying to downplay their effort and of course practice and immersion are the most important but I think some people are just naturally good at languages. There are people who are good at context reading, pronouncing clearly, giving a speech, writing a novel and then there ard some who are not. Even natives have varying levels of abilities at their language like that so it's only natural that the same applies to language learners.
250名無しさん＠日本語勉強中 (CA 0H69-Dkz/)2019/09/24(火) 12:36:57.96ID:sGonzLr8H
>>249 Yeah, I have no doubt that some people are just naturally better at learning at a certain rate than others. And of course, if you're a natural mimic, then pronunciation and such are going to come easier to you. After all, language is mostly mimicry and natural mimics have a huge advantage when it comes to that.
I'm still interested in the overall process and theory behind language learning, though. Take Matt, for example. He's not perfect at Japanese, but he's only been speaking the language for a fraction of the time that Peter Barakan has. I wonder, if Matt keeps up with his immersion-based approach to language learning, if he will ever reach perfection, or if he will just plateau at "almost, but not quite perfect" like so many other learners do. Even among people who live in countries where their target language is predominately spoken, many of them just craft "gaijin bubbles" for themselves where they're not actually immersing themselves as much as you think they would be. So while being a natural at 物真似 plays a role, I'm sure, I wonder how much if it comes down to 才能 and how much of it comes down to just the method.
251名無しさん＠日本語勉強中 (CA 0H69-Dkz/)2019/09/24(火) 12:38:32.83ID:sGonzLr8H
>>249 Another thing I'm interested in, is how long did it take people like Peter Barakan to become perfect? Surely they weren't just speaking flawlessly from day one. But there's so little documentation on the subject. It's like, should you take it as, "if you've been studying for x years and you're still not perfect by then, you'll never be perfect"? If it took him 2 years to reach perfection then I'd surely believe he's a genius. Nobody who's not FUCKING EXCEPTIONAL learns perfect Japanese in 2 years. But if it took him 20 years, then I have to wonder if it's something environmental rather than genetic still.
Not that I think it matters THAT much, whether you have a subtle accent or not. I'm sure that everyone would agree that Dave Spector speaks excellent Japanese even if he has a foreign accent and such. But I would still accept that Peter Barakan has something over him, either environmental OR genetic, if he was able to reach total perfection in the same amount of time.
252名無しさん＠日本語勉強中 (CA 0H69-Dkz/)2019/09/24(火) 13:13:11.60ID:sGonzLr8H
Another thing I want to comment on is people like Thane Camus who are also widely regarded to be language gurus or something. If you've listened to Thane Camus speak English for an extended period of time, you will realize that, while he's still pretty good at it, there's just something "off" about the way he speaks English that just shows that he's just way more comfortable with Japanese on the inside than English.
Like, his English really is the kind of English you would expect from someone who moved to Japan when they were 6 or 10 years old, rather than the English of someone who stayed in an English-speaking country until adulthood.
If you're an English native then just listen to the clips of him reading English on his new Mr. Coconut channel on YouTube and you'll see what I mean. It's only natural that, after 40 years of living in Japan, he's forgotten the natural rhythm and cadence of the language he spoke as a 6 year old. And though he may be white and his Japanese is perfect, his English certainly is not.
I think that Japanese and English are just such different languages, that there's almost nobody alive who's capable of maintaining both to a truly "native" level without prioritizing one over the other, if you know what I mean.
But that doesn't mean you can't be very good at both still.
>>240 Thank you, I feel relieved to hear that my English sounds natural to you. I have been learning in a way surprisingly similar to yours, except that I had no clear intention to do that, so to speak. My first exposure to English was 12 years ago when I entered my junior high. I have since immersed myself in my favorite movies, magazines, etc. in the language. I could say I was also an avid learner of the grammar at school. However, I was, or I have been, too lazy and shy to find opportunity to have real conversations.
(cont. >> 253) As a result, I have a fairly rich vocabulary pool in my head but most of the words and phrases in it remain “passive”. The reason I sound not too awkward in written form is that there is virtually no time limit to review and rewrite it, often with the aid of dictionaries, so they sound more natural. I can tell whether a sentence is natural or not “in hindsight”. I just cannot form it on the spot.
The funny thing is that I know what “obsequious” and “flabbergasted” mean but in the online lesson I find myself struggling to switch tenses, and there is always a long and awkward pause before I can finally output a grammatically decent sentence.
255名無しさん＠日本語勉強中 (CA 0H69-Dkz/)2019/09/24(火) 13:52:08.00ID:sGonzLr8H
>>253 That's interesting to hear. I've also been taking an approach of just trying to understand everything Japanese. My main goal with Japanese was just understanding rather than outputting. I have to say, that tonight is the only night I've ever really talked to Japanese people. And even now, it's mostly in English rather than Japanese. But I spend 6+ hours every day, just trying to read and understand real Japanese, which is spoken/written by real Japanese people. In doing so, I've come to understand almost all of the Japanese that I see and hear on a daily basis, which was my goal in the first place. However, after doing so, I find myself wanting to be able to speak/write Japanese in the same way that I understand it. So I have to keep going and pushing myself.
>However, I was, or I have been, too lazy and shy to find opportunity to have real conversations. This is my problem as well, I think. I think I could speak or write Japanese if I tried, but I'm just too shy to.
Anyway, just 頑張ってくださいね。 I'm sure we'll both get there eventually.
256名無しさん＠日本語勉強中 (CA 0H69-Dkz/)2019/09/24(火) 13:56:53.39ID:sGonzLr8H
>>254 Yeah, I think I'm at the same stage in Japanese as you are in English. That is, I can write somewhat natural Japanese and I can see what's right "in hindsight", but 実際に喋ること is still too "real-time" for me.
I've heard of this technique called "shadowing", where you basically just repeat, in real-time, what a native speaker says. And in doing so, you're supposed to become more fluent and "quick at thinking on your feet" when it comes to your target language. But I haven't tried it yet, because I feel like I should be focused on bringing my listening comprehension up to truly 100% first, rather than the 97% or so that it's at right now.
>The funny thing is that I know what “obsequious” and “flabbergasted” mean I will say that, as a native speaker, I don't even know what “obsequious” means. But as a Japanese learner I can read 髑髏 and write 薔薇 even though I know that even a few native Japanese can't. I think that one thing that separates a native from a learner, is that a native just has this intuitive sense of what's important to know and what's not. Whereas a foreign learner can't intuitively tell whether “obsequious” is worth learning or not.
>>251 Thane Camus and Dave spector are excellent. But they both learned from they were children. Children learn language faster than adults.
I checked out how Peter Barakan learned Japanese. He learned Japanese at the college maybe 4years. But he couldn't speak Japanese when he graduated.
After he came to Japan, He learned from TV drama and conversation.
258名無しさん＠日本語勉強中 (CA 0H69-Dkz/)2019/09/24(火) 14:05:47.18ID:sGonzLr8H
>>257 Interesting. I've heard that Dave Spector has an obvious foreign accent, whereas Thane Camus sounds like a native speaker. Am I wrong? I am trying to learn from TV drama, anime, and YouTube. And after 3 years, I can read and understand almost all of it. But I can't speak yet. I think mostly I am just too embarrassed to try.
But since my original goal was just "understanding" rather than "speaking", I am very happy. I will try to keep it up and hope that I can reach Peter Barkan's level someday. After all, he's been living in Japan for at least 20 years before I was even born, so I think I should give myself that sort of time to catch up (*´∀｀*)
262名無しさん＠日本語勉強中 (CA 0H69-Dkz/)2019/09/24(火) 14:55:36.71ID:sGonzLr8H
>>259 Also I'm not sure if I misunderstood you, but I feel that shadowing and repeating are almost the same, the only difference is whether you repeat in "real-time" vs. whether you repeat "afterwards".
I think both probably have the same benefits. I will try doing a combination of both from now on and seeing which one seems to work the best for me.
Time for me to go to bed. Everyone "ganbatte ne" and hopefully we'll all be fluent soon enough.
263名無しさん＠日本語勉強中 (CA 0H69-Dkz/)2019/09/24(火) 15:01:14.66ID:sGonzLr8H
>>261 Well, I just think Japanese looks cooler than any other language I've ever seen in the world. The way you guys mix ひらがな、カタカナ、漢字 I think it's very 賢い and I wish we had that in our language too. I think you guys make the best media - yeah, the アニメ, ドラマ, エロ漫画, all of it.
I took one look at Japanese and I thought, "this must be the hardest language on earth. I HAVE to learn this." I'm just a チャレンジ好き kind of guy, you know. I've never regretted a single second of learning this language. I love it all. Thank you for the encouragement. Good night.
I didn't explain it well. I repeat just one phrase. I repeat the same phrase over and over. After that I totally memorize that phrase's pronunciation accent and intonation.
>>255-256 It’s interesting for me as well to know we are in such a similiar situation and I wasn’t the only one. I haven’t tried the shadowing method yet, but from your explanation I think it’s worth giving a try because it sounds like exactly what I need. I really hope you make a successful switch to the “activation phase” of the Japanese language like I desire to of English, and we both someday be fluent both in speaking and writing. It was fun having a conversation with you. Have a good night!
This Japanese youtuber called AK-English has learned English in a year by speaking English with her flatmates and her story was quite fascinating. Like how she thought "first of all" was just one word until much later. She also talked about some interesting stuff like how those Japanese children she taught English could speak the language without an accent until the age 6 or something and their pronunciation would only get worse after they learned the alphabet in school.
270名無しさん＠日本語勉強中 (CA 0H69-Dkz/)2019/09/25(水) 02:05:54.55ID:8Rv9yTAZH
>>269 Whoa, that is pretty cool. I didn't even know what a 'brooch' was until now, lmao.
Oh! One thing that you guys might want to try is watch English-language "Let's Play" videos on YouTube. One of my favorite things to do in Japanese is watch 実況プレイ vids, since not only is the content fun and interesting, but the commentary is useful listening practice. On top of that -- and this is where I think Let's Play videos shine in terms of their usefulness -- the players will often read out all the in-game dialogue out loud, so you can practice reading along with native audio.
My favorite Japanese Let's Player is 実況局だいだら. He talks a lot, and he reads everything out loud. Even compared to other Japanese Let's Players, I think he speaks and reads very well. It makes me realize that I need to learn to read way faster if I ever want to keep up with people like him, haha.
>>271 Cheer up, man. Just take a look at your ID! ID: fCjbckgS0 -> fC ck jbgs0 (Move “jb”) -> fu ck jbgs0 (Rotate “C” by 90 degrees) -> fu ck j0b gs (Rearrange) Finally, remove the “g” and the “s”, because they are the first characters of “grief” and “sadness”, which are the feelings you want to get rid of. -> fuck j0b See? You don’t have to be so sad. In the first place, LABOR IS SHIT!
>>270 It's not hard to get reading ability. It's fun to read foreign books and foreign article on the Internet. I'm interested in learning many languages.
277名無しさん＠日本語勉強中 (CA 0H69-Dkz/)2019/09/25(水) 08:33:34.55ID:HP4eMiAsH
>>276 I actually think that news in general is easier to understand than most fiction books, at least in my own experience. The reason is that news is kind of meant to be simple. Everything is communicated in a very clear, direct, and matter-of-fact way. The biggest hurdle to understanding news is that you have to learn a lot of vocabulary related to politics and such.
Books, on the other hand -- especially fiction books -- tend to be more abstract than news. Authors like to inject their own writing styles and wordplay into their books. They might contain subtle concepts which build on each other over the span of several pages or chapters.
This is kind of unrelated, but there are a lot of Americans who believe in the stupid myth that "not even Japanese people can read Japanese newspapers", so I think it's commonplace to believe that news is the most difficult reading material out there.
278名無しさん＠日本語勉強中 (CA 0H69-Dkz/)2019/09/25(水) 08:34:47.39ID:HP4eMiAsH
>>276 I actually think that news in general is easier to understand than most fiction books, at least in my own experience. The reason is that news is kind of meant to be simple. Everything is communicated in a very clear, direct, and matter-of-fact way. The biggest hurdle to understanding news is that you have to learn a lot of vocabulary related to politics and such.
Books, on the other hand -- especially fiction books -- tend to be more abstract than news. Authors like to inject their own writing styles and wordplay into their books. They might contain subtle concepts which build on each other over the span of several pages or chapters.
This is kind of unrelated, but there are a lot of Americans who believe in the stupid myth that "not even Japanese people can read Japanese newspapers", so I think it's commonplace to believe that news is the most difficult reading material out there.
279名無しさん＠日本語勉強中 (CA 0H69-Dkz/)2019/09/25(水) 08:36:05.92ID:HP4eMiAsH
>>277 Newspaper's grammar is not so difficult. I thought you need specific vocabulary as you said.
Basically people choose books you are interested in after you learned words and expressions. So I think it's not so hard to read books you are interested in.
I like travel abroad. So I memorized words which relates travel in the first place.
If you mean every kinds of books, it might be difficult. Novel, I used to read novel which has easy words. But if you like something special. It might be difficult.
It may depend on a newspaper you read. BBC is relatively easy to read compared to the New York times that uses complex grammar and less common words. Andi agree that fiction is the most difficult. I started to learn English to read a non-fiction book, Embracing Defeat, this book is very insightful but very easy to read like newspapers.
282名無しさん＠日本語勉強中 (CA 0H69-Dkz/)2019/09/25(水) 12:44:24.23ID:HP4eMiAsH
>>281 I agree that it depends on the newspaper. In my own case, for example, I think that FNN is an excellent resource for Japanese learners. Not only do they use rather simple Japanese, but they include transcripts of basically everything the announcers are saying. The only real difference is that the announcers use 丁寧語 whereas the written transcripts do not. So for a Japanese student, FNN is a fucking godsend.
It's embarrassing to admit, but I don't really read English novels that much anymore. I find it to be too boring since the internet is a thing now. It's been several years since I've read a single English book. I think the Internet might have ruined my attention span for books, haha. But I will look into Embracing Defeat since you mentioned it.
>>272 I’m so angry because I’m super qualified for the job but I got denied?! Maybe I’m too qualified for the combini job. I have a master’s degree and some English skills and have an overseas sales.
>>286 That may be the case. Let’s look on the bright side: now you don’t have to work with someone mean enough to deny a suitable candidate out of jealousy. Yay!
>>290 You were too good for the place and they knew it
292名無しさん＠日本語勉強中 (CA 0H69-Dkz/)2019/09/25(水) 21:26:53.55ID:HP4eMiAsH
>>285 That's a good thing, really. Politics is dumb. >>286 It sounds like you really were overqualified. Here in the West, they would never hire someone with a Master's degree for a convenience store job, because they assume that you'd just get bored and leave for something better as soon as possible. Rather, they want people who don't have any qualifications, so they'll have no choice but to stick with them.
i caught a glimpse of an online ad which says "your next breakthrough awaits.". i couldn't remember when and what my first breakthrough in my life is.
296名無しさん＠日本語勉強中 (CA 0H69-Dkz/)2019/09/25(水) 23:09:00.41ID:HP4eMiAsH
>>294 I live in Seattle, Washington, which is an okay city, but it's incredibly expensive to live here. There's also a lot of homeless people everywhere, probably because everything is too expensive. What about you?
297名無しさん＠日本語勉強中 (CA 0H69-Dkz/)2019/09/25(水) 23:46:47.73ID:HP4eMiAsH
>>295 yeah but how about when you broke through your mom's vagina as a baby lmao gottem
>>296 I live in Tokyo. Seattle is known for Starbucks coffee. It takes 9hours from Japan. I've never been to Seattle. But I've been to Hawaii and L.A.
299名無しさん＠日本語勉強中 (CA 0H1b-bW7s)2019/09/26(木) 00:37:47.23ID:Bz5c2AE3H
>>298 There's definitely a lot of Starbucks in Seattle, yeah. Only 9 hours? That's a lot shorter than I expected. I've never been to Japan, but I'd like to visit someday. I bet Tokyo is just like anime in real life!!!!!! Sugoiiii!!
301名無しさん＠日本語勉強中 (CA 0H1b-bW7s)2019/09/26(木) 01:12:36.08ID:Bz5c2AE3H
>>300 Yeah, Logan Paul is a massive piece of shit, and the only people who like him are 12-year-old kids with brain damage. I also seem to recall another story where British tourists were caught licking the fish on display at a Japanese fish market. They had to ban all white people from the fish market after that. Many Westerners seem to have this entitled mentality where they treat foreign countries like a playground for them to get drunk and mess around in. Probably because they grow up watching trash like Logan Paul vids.
So I didn’t get a combini job. What should I do now? Maybe I should go to Hellowork or something. I really don’t care about what kind of job I will have in the future.
Data representing differences in ethnicity between Japan and Korea <Korean dot com 2012.08.11 09:52:55 article> Crime about lies Perjury: 1,544 South Korea, 9 Japan False accusation: 2,171 South Korea, 10 Japan Fraud: 70,000 South Korea, 8000 Japan
In Japan and Korea, there is a big difference between false proofs and false charges for the purpose of punishment and discipline for others. Roughly more than four thousand times that of Japan considering the population ratio. If you are sued by a Korean about your ancestors before you were born, you should first doubt the high possibility of false charges
>>304 i know how you feel but you can deal with it. more than a decade ago, i screwed up at the interview test of the eiken pre-first grade. i wept on my way home.
>>317 Milstead & Co. I've heard a lot of good things from them while visiting the US a few years ago. You could also see how Starbucks is there since Seattle is where their HQ is.
if you see screen of your smartphone or garake mobile phone, you can tell how much battery is still left by the battery icon shown on the screen. but as for wrist watches you can't tell how much is left so that you feel uncomfortable or even get upset when your wrist watch suddenly stops working.
>>332 i heard that it is not good to pluck your hair and you should cut(trim) it instead. plucking your hair may damage your skin and it sometimes causes suppuration.
I always browse in English on YouTube or wherever in terms of protecting my soul from ugly insulating, ignorance and racial stereotypes. It is much more safe when you see the online world in another language. you see how ungly it is in Japanese, like someone above said in this Japanese thread, f*** whites which was really disturbing.
>>341 All cultures whose language isn't widespread is pretty insular. English, French, and German are all pretty PC in terms of racism and political speach. German for a seperate reason. English and french are lingua francas of the world, so there's quite a bit of cultural exchange. German on the other hand is more because of the guilt of WWII still being felt by a majority of people to this date.
However, seeing how insular a particular culture is can be pretty eye opening too, so give and take I guess. Allows someone to see what the zeitgeist of a culture can be. What someone from that culture may think subconciously and what their biases may be.
That's one of the reasons I want to learn Japanese. And because I'm a filthy weeb who wants to watch anime without subs and to understand cultural references.
>>339 Whether you see offensive things or not on Youtube depends on the content and luck. It does not depend on the language, as offensive English videos and posts do exist there.
5ch is the underground site of Japan, so it's par for the course that you see lots of foul posts here (or on any other nerdy sites). If you go to English underground/nerdy sites, you will see lots of foul posts likewise. (Even on sites like reddit.)
Also the language of this thread is English and not Japanese, and what you wrote doesn't make sense.
Personally I find morons talking illogical nonsense like yours a lot more irritating than the erratic Korean troll of this thread.
Why can’t we write an natural sentence even if we have pretty much time to look up some words in dictionary or on the internet that we’re not sure whether it’s natural expression or not? For example, I now and then run into an authentic expression when I read some sentences on YouTube but I can hardly find like that ones including mine.
>>353 As far as I know, having one clearer answer than someone on just one topic is not justification enough for a decent human to haul denigrating words at him/her. That’s sort of a moronic social ineptitude, but it does not make sense if you profess to be a smarter individual. You surely have another legitimate reason why you did that. I beg you to enlighten me with your wisdom, pretty please!
I'm very weak. I want to be strong. I've watched models youtubes. They all eat super food as acai, chia seed, kinoa. I want to have them. But they are expensive.
I heard that Japanese traditional food like miso and tofu are also super food. I will try them.
>>360 I see. Those foods you call “super foods” do look colorful and motivating, but in my opinion they don’t seem far better than “normal” foods. Taking appropriate amount of protein, fat, vitamins is more important than picking up “super foods.” By the way, tofu is a good source of protein.
i just watched an official trailer video of a movie "knock knock" on youtube. it stars keanu reeves and two hot girls and the trailer looked so good a suspenseful thriller that i felt like watching it. but there're a lot of criticism comment and that baffled me.
Here in Canada, a driver's car can be no older then 10 years, and income is NOT stable at all. You'd have a better time becoming a FedEx guy or do pizza delivery.
Also, get a license. I got mine at 16, and the freedom is amazing. Although I had 5 minor accidents in the first 2 years of driving. Not great on insurance at all.
i began to buy canned food to prepare unexpected natural disasters. i think it's a bit late to do it but not too late. i am also thinking about storing mineral water in plastic bottle.
>>408 Sheesh. Some guys just can't help with B.O. I shower almost every day and use Irish Spring deoderant. If it's bothering you that much, try to ignore it. You'll become nose blind to it.
>>417 Usually the teas in the US and even in Canada are sweatened. I actually like green tea lattes from time to time.
>>410 i'm talking about their products in terms of user friendliness. if each piece is small, it's easier to eat. my bmi value is about 21-22. i think that it clearly shows i'm not debu.
i've got a postcard from the police. it is an advance notice for renewal of my driving license card. it asks me to prepare 2 kinds of 4 digit password numbers to complete the procedure, but i don't know why. i can't remember me using such numbers when driving a car.
My English is considered to be great as I passed Eiken Grade 1, which is an English test that measures English proficiency and is known only in Japan diffirent from other English tests like TOEFL, TOEIC and ILETS.
And it took 10 minutes to read the article about the Babymetal and I looked up words on online dictionary a few times. I think I understand the article 80% or so. That's partly because of my lack of English proficiency and partly because I'm not familiar with the Metal thingy. I have to admit I have lost the passion to improve my English any more so I don't care if my English doesn't show any sign of improvement.
One thing is for sure. Whatever foreign language you start learning, the farther you go, the harder you find it to recognize your improvement. And it's almost impossible to reach the native speakers' levels as long as you aren't either grown up in a bilingual family or raised in a foreign country where your target language is spoken. C'est la vie.
The season 9 of The Walking Dead has been added to Amazon Prime Video. It's been a while since I watched the 8th season, and I'm having bit of a trouble remembering the plot, who is who, what role they played in the previous seasons. You should watch this type of long TV shows without too much intervals if possible.
A chicken crisp is now 110 yen at McDonald's. Even a regular hamburger is also 110 yen. They can't use the name '100 yen Mc' for their burgers anymore. Luckily, a cup of coffee, small, is still 100 yen.
i have heard a lot of people say "24" or "prison break" or "game of thrones" is worth watching. strangely, i feel reluctant to watch tv drama series. i guess it is partly because no less than 6 or 7 or 8 series have already been produced.
>>439 I know how you feel. There are too many episodes to watch. But once you get used to it, you get hooked and can't stop watching it. That's how it was for me when I first watched '24' series.
I went to the library today because I don’t work right now. I was wearing a short pant and t-shirt and flip-flop and realised that I was the one who was wearing summer clothes... also the study room in the library was so cold... I couldn’t be there for 30 minutes....
robert de niro was sued for 12 million dollars(!) by his former assistant. i feel the amount she claimed is ridiculous, considering the reason for filing the lawsuit...
Acting as a "proper" grown-up is sometimes a nuisance. Paricularly so, when you are required to welcome some relatives or friends of a family member who you are not familiar with. Even if you are an extreme introvert, you are expected to perform as it should be. That is why I rarely visit my parents' house. There is no such thing as "home" to me.
Japanese Ramen is probably the kind of noodles. A Vietnamese-style noodle dish called pho may be a close rival. A distant third would be some Thai-style noodle dish or Italian pasta variety. The other noodle dishes in other countries are effectively rubbish(Brt Eng).
i went to a local supermarket a while ago. it was crowded with shoppers. paypay seemed to be very popular but to my eyes, it just took more time for the staffs to do their jobs at the cashiers than before.
I went to the supermarket recently. It was crowded with a lot of shoppers. Although PayPay, a mobile payment service, is all the rage, I saw it take more time for cashiers at the store to handle payments via the app than otherwise.
That just looks like a bowl of somen with diced tomatoes, and the latter somen with hiyashi shabushabu. I think it's just the hiyashi shabushabu-like stuff that is tasty and not much to do with the somen in the bowl. Somen in my opinion has the worst texture among noodles, and I don't think anything you put on it would change my opinion on that.
Also I don't like cold oily stuff in general, and the somen immersed in the cold oily soup looks a bit gross to me. I don't like the idea of slurping the cold oily somen. Are you sure that's not ramen?
i've seen many favorable comments on the internet for the film "joker". i once thought about going to the theater but i gave it a second thought. it is because joker, he is a main heel of "batman" series and i can't fully enjoy or understand the content of the film without seeing "batman" first.
Those who are keen to immerse themselves in English are somehow predominantly female. It is maybe because those Japanese women love western culture or Japanese men are inward-looking. Even so, the female proportion is insanely high. At the professional level, though, the most capable of using English are men, Hahaha
iOS installed in my iphone touch was updated yesterday. And the interfaces of some apps were changed greatly so that i had a difficulty in using them than before. i prefer the previous interfaces.
i remember some ladies applied lipsticks or put on cosmetic powders beside me on train. i guess clipped nails might bounce with snapped sounds and hit people sitting around.
>>489 Are you talking about me? Isn't it obvious from the flow of the posts that I was talking about the thing in >>472? (which I still don't know if it's actually somen)
i quit drinking canned coffee yesterday. i felt afraid of the amount of sugar and caffeine i take everyday. i don't know how long i can continue with this but i will try my best.
a bottom right tooth ached and i made an appointment with a dentist wednesday. the tooth should've been taken care of and cured about 10 yrs ago. i can't understand why it began to torture me all over again.
forever21, fast fashion chain store, seems to be retreating from the japanese market in october. but they would come to japan again in future like ikea if they successfully revive.
Japanese firmly believe they have relatively good English reading proficiency but lose command of the language when it comes to speaking or writing. The truth is, though, that Japanese completely lacks any command of the language in every aspect. They can not read English well, let alone speak or write. The fundamental problem here lies in the inadequacy of the amount of English these poor Japanese have soaked up so far in their life.
some areas in chiba prefecture must be still suffering from the aftermath of the strong typhoon no.15. another horribly strong typhoon no.19 is closing in on chiba.
a girl once suggested that i try to do レンタルパパ (rental dad). she said i appear to be suitable for playing a role of dad. she also recommended パパ活 then but i didn't ask her what the パパ活 is.
I’m sorry I’m not on your side cause I like a sort of HONEY umeboshi. Why on earth you don’t accept it? It was fad but still now some love it like me.😩
My fucking neighbour just came to my home and the BBA complained about a small shovel in my garden and she demands that I should put it away because the typhoon is approaching. She claims that it’s very dangeous because it’ll fly in the air and hit someone or cause damages to the neighbours’ houses.
I was like seriously? YOU SHOULD GET INTO A NURSING CARE FACILITY RIGHT NOW!!!!!!
This is why this annoying old BBA is hated by all neighbours. Fuck bitch.
I don't know about a tiny garden shovel, but when I was in developing countries, people were scared of going outside in a tempestuous storm. You might get injured or even get killed by flying tin roofs.
when i walk around inside some shop i tend to take pictures of something if i find it funny or interesting. but basically taking pictures shouldn't be allowed there for a security purpose. or the store may ask politely shoppers to refrain from doing it. now i feel i should be more aware of it and act in an appropriate way.
>>534 I'm being OCD right now, but "typoon" is actually written as "typhoon." The ph make an 'f' sound. As it was originally written I thought "ty-poon".
here’s an information for tourists and those who currently live in Tokyo during the typhoon. Anytime you need help in the event of disasters,
Dial 050-3810-2787 . It's JNTO (Japan National Tourism Organization) available for 24 hours in English, Chinese and Korean languages, to ask for the government support.
Recommended Apps: Safety Tips Disaster Preparedness Tokyo App
Ok. I just woke up. Maybe I should go check the nearest river and sea because I am a kind of guy who is excited about seeing the raging sea during the typhoon!
Even though the official altitude here is just above zero, and I know how fragile the river dike of the Sumida river is, it is really nothing at all until the shit really hits the fan. la la la~~♪
Kawara is dangerous. There are lots of flat roof in Okinawa and Tohoku area. Tohoku is like that because of snow maybe. Residents in Chiba prefecture would be better change it.
i think i will stay up late at night tonight, possibly all night. a lot of emails have been sent to my mobile phone continuously which makes me awake and be on a high alert.
today's morning paper was delivered to my house along with yesterday's evening paper before i found them at around 5:30am this morning. thank you all the delivery staffs.
I have found it extremely difficult to answer grammatical questions on Japanese language on a forum primarily dedicated to Anglophone learners of the language. In fact, it's way easier to answer questions on English than those on my mother tongue. This may sound weird, given most people blindly assume they are an expert of their first language. The truth is, however, that you can relatively easily make your mark with your acquired foreign language, while struggling to do the same on your native language. In my case, I am totally incapable of giving any effective advice on Japanese grammatical questions, eventually forced to raise the white flag. As it turned out, Japanese native speakers, with no special training, have no arsenal of knowledge regarding grammar. So what is the moral of this tale? You should be better off learning English from a fellow Japanese teacher, rather than a native speaker.
Greta Thunberg is a mentally ill 16 year old who is misguided by crooked adults. Abe is like a 60 year old retard who is willingly obeying crooked adults. Fucking pathetic dog.
Abe nominated Trump for the Nobel peace prize, and he has also been acting like the President's buddy since the beginning of his presidency. So I must warn America. It has come to the conclusion that the Ugly Dog Abe is a full-fledged deceiver.
>577 Most people don't know how their native language really works, unless they explicitly study it or are required to teach it to others. (Trying to figure out when "a" or "the" are used in English is a surprisingly difficult exercise for native English speakers; most people haven't thought of the notion of 'countability' or specificity.) Where having a naive speaker teach is really helpful is them being able to tell you if your sentences are wrong or awkwardly constructed; they might not be able to tell you *why*, but they can definitely tell there's a problem. Same thing goes for native Japanese speakers teaching Japanese! Few of them had heard of 連濁 or pitch tone.
>>576 You can understand if you know non rigid playful language. English contains no case endings, strong verbs, pragmatic word order, good morphology and many other features.
English contains too many stolen words which are hard to understand. Even we didn't steal these many words from china. no originality or interesting features in English.
>>591 You should say "borrow" rather than "steal" when you mean words coming from other languages. In this sense, Japanese is heavily indebted to English.
I don't know what you mean by "we didn't steal many words from China", but kango are Chinese. And the "stolen words" are what makes English fun to study. (etymology)
>>593 和製漢語 are ours. We made them and sent them back to china. We ignored our own language and improved chinese so that chinese language can invade our 大和言葉.
Why I can't move words freely in a sentence in english without changing syntax is making me frustrated. i am having problems arranging thoughts according to english grammar.
That order of verbs and subjects significantly changes our way of thinking. I speak more blatantly English. Also the construction of essays is completely opposite. In English we make clear whether we agree or disagree about a subject but we are unable to know authors's view until the very last of the essays in Japanese.
22kg?? can you lift it up with one arm? you must have big biceps. i will check training belts on amazon or visit fitness section at a local supermarket.
The vernaculars of the UK are many, and quite complicated and convoluted. I admit BBC English is easy to understand, but speakers of it are really rare in Britain, And the Briton you bumps into at a holiday resort overseas is very unlikely to speak it either..
I'm British myself and I can proudly inform you that the Cockney accent is almost extinct outside of TV and Movies. It exists mainly as a stereotype for portraying low class characters. RP/BBC English isn't common either but most people in the South-East of England speak something relatively close to it (including myself). The 'holiday resort' people you mentioned are usually low class people from the North, who tend to have more idiosyncratic accents.
I hope you gents had a safe time during the Typhoon.
>>632 Yep, I'm going to watch it but I've mostly been supporting Japan and Wales. Wales has a much better energy and atmosphere, since it's such a small country, whilst I'm fond of Japan as a country and the team has been spectacular so far. Underdogs are usually more fun to root for than big countries with big teams, like England.
halloween related goods apparently start to invade a part of stores in towns. i hope that some stupid guys will not resort to violence and vandalism in shibuya on october 31st this year.
at family mart stores you can have a chance to get something (for free) in a lottery with every 700 yen purchase. i tried twice and got アンパンマン ペロペロチョコ by fujiya and calorie mate by otsuka.
Why are articles about music so difficult? It took me more than an hour to read and I searched the dictionary over 150 times... my lexicon is limited to "normal" news articles.
>>636 really? then i will eat it after taking a bath. a couple of decades have already passed since i first saw アンパンマン, but i don't know its main plot yet... i believe it is a simple standard "virtue vs. vice" story.
>>633 You have "Hogan-biiki" mentality, which most Japanese have.
642名無しさん＠日本語勉強中 (CA 0Hcf-eoat)2019/10/19(土) 10:58:27.56ID:fe/svV1ZH
>>430 There are actually a lot of native speakers who are so dumb that it would take them even longer to read an article like that, so don't be so hard on yourself. Your ability to read will only improve with practice.
>>439 I agree. Like, Japan offers the JLPT (日本語能力試験) test (of which I've passed the highest level) which I find to be completely stupid because the Japanese presented on that test is so unnatural and artificial. It's all "textbook" Japanese which you NEVER encounter in real life. I assume that standardized English tests are the same way. If they really wanted to challenge us, they would ask us to listen to old people speaking Japanese, because they're actually hard to understand. The Japanese in the JLPT is all crisp, perfectly-enunciated "announcer" Japanese which is completely comprehensible to anyone who's spent more than a couple years studying. Even a children's anime is harder to understand than the Japanese in the JLPT.
643名無しさん＠日本語勉強中 (CA 0Hcf-eoat)2019/10/19(土) 11:17:34.99ID:fe/svV1ZH
Contrary to >>439, I think that learning from "for native by native" material is actually the most efficient way to acquire language.
The language in these shows is not "dumbed down" to accommodate non-native speakers, so if you imitate their language, you will sound native and natural, for the most part.
http://www.jlpt.jp/e/samples/n1/index.html I think JLPT N1 reading and listening section are equivalent to the level of Japanese high school and junior high school entrance exams respectively. I assume Eiken 1st grade is a little bit harder than that.
I've read a Japanese novel translated to English. It's not good for learning English. although it's easy to read. As for learning English, it is because I guess it's important to touch the English culture flowing behind the story.
>>652 As far as your English proficiency is concerned, you should read junior high school textbooks again lol Do you recognize how poor your English is? You have to get back to basics so as to enhance your command of the language more effectively.
>>430 English teachers named Imran Siddiqui and Summer Rane speak very good Japanese. I think you could even though you weren't half Japanese. Eiken isn't daily conversation.
>>654 you are wrong. you need not get back to basics. It's not necessary. what are the basics? if you mean the basics are the most important things, I don't discern such kind of textbooks is basics. basics are to understand the culture. It must be based on culture. A textbook is only one of the texts, there are not basics, fundamental is not fundamental but only one of the things Basics are not based on basics. there is not such kind primary or fundamental subjects. To reach proficiency in using language eventually learn every kind of word. there is not such kind of basis.
>>661 The comment has been made after reading your poor English. Your vocabulary is so limited, and your grammar is terrible. You should sit in a class of first-graders at a junior high school lol
Your English is grammatically almost correct but written contents are shit. If you could have pointed out the mistake, It would become a little bit better. As you only spread out shit like above mentioned, your English is the same as the feces expelled from your poor head. your English is really really shit.
>>660 we can communicate with even racists, but cannot do with the liar. you had better not tell a lie. The Sinocentrism in China is discriminating thought essentially. Chinese call Korean "穢"（very dirty）historically, because they thought they were very dirty and liar. Racism also existed in other than the West.
Don't worry about him, and there is no point wasting your time. He's been screaming that (all) white people are racists in 5ch for years, which makes him a certified racist. I guess he has pretty bad experiences with and memories of the white people, and I suppose he isn't living happily among Japanese, either.
>>663 You are apparently not capable of judging which part of a sentence has an error, nor can you find out which word is appropriate for each context. It's obvious you have no sense of what article--definite (the) or indefinite(a/an)--should be used, given your extremely frequent mistakes. You should start over again from the very beginning--the junior high school textbook lol
>>667 Your criticism has no concreteness. The reason you are afraid to point out is that you are not confident. Criticism that lacks specificity is meaningless. I'm not saying that you must be totally pointed out correctly, but It is ridiculous that there isn't even only one specific indication.
If you want to write natural English, you can use Google Translate. It has evolved to the point that I no longer need to study English. It can also be used as a means of judging whether the English you wrote is natural. You can determine whether a sentence is natural or not by reconverting it into Japanese using Google Translate.
The >>670 guy is right in delivering a "concrete" solution to help correct the childish English of the jerk, >>669. This foolish guy still does not realize his/her lack of ability. There is a technical term for this inflated self-perception, called the Dunning-Kruger effect, a cognitive bias in which incompetent people believe they are smarter than they really are. This is because these people are unable to recognize their lack of ability. In other words, they lack the very skills needed to recognize their own incompetence, leading them to overestimate their capabilities.
>>664 660 himself said he's good at telling lies, and he's Korean and dirty (or more like deranged). So I think the Chinese were simply speaking truth. At least the character 穢 fits this particular Korean very well.
>>670 it is true, so English skill is not so important to communicate with you. if we talk to each other in English, eventually English skills will become up gradually. it is ridiculous to force sophisticated English.
>>672 why can't you describe it yourself? 670 says blah blah Dunning–Kruger says brah blah you have no head to understand "point out" I said ? Does inflation occur in your head?
>>679 Oh, you are still trapped in the Dunning–Kruger effect lol You should really return to your junior high school text books, usually the best material for a guy of low caliber like you.
Corrections: Regarding the sentence "why can't you describe it yourself? " you cannot use "it" because it is unclear what that "it" really means and it is impossible to guess. As for "you have no head to understand "point out" I said ? " in addition to inaccurate use of brackets, this sentence makes no sense. Of course, everybody knows what the phrase "point out" denotes. So what?
I think inflation is underway inside your brain lol
oh I'm sory I must discribe "discribe it".When I refer to "discraibe it" I am speaking more broadly. I'm talking about your attitude or your original idea that is driven more strongly by curiousity than by fear. Your ambiguity and criticism seems to be caused by the feelings of fear. In other words, isn't it because of lack of courage?
>>686 Full of gibberish! Probably, you are mentally ill lol Good junior high school students will make much better sentences. You should reflect on yourself and improve your poor English skills.
>>681 What I want to say is that your attitude is wrong. You do things that people don't do on social scenes. If you were polite person. He wouldn't be rude on you.
>>689 Your one sentence there looks fine - although I would have used "construction" rather than "building", and probably omitted "capabilities". Perfectly understandable, though.
>>657 Do you mean 尊皇攘夷 or "Give the foreigners hot sexytime"? I'm all in favor of the latter; the former is a bit dated.
>>688 You are very courtesy. It is a good nature and better than rude. The good social sense is better than bad sense. generally we tend to think Japanese is more courtesy than Western people. but now you are learning their language. So you need is not Japanese social sense but their social sense. Is it acceptable so far? In Japan, there is a tendency to place more restrictions on free expression than necessary. There are many humility and modesty words in Japanese. To put it the other way, it is to be overly disgusting to those who express freely. For example, returnee children are bullied because they have acquired Western-style expression manners. Anyway, people who want to learn English shouldn't say anything about expression in a Japanese sense. need to be a little more forgiving.
>>692 To me, the 689 guy seems to have better command of English than you do. The adjective phrase "sentence-building" is completely acceptable and way better than the expression you have suggested. You are apparently not capable of giving any advice to someone who is much better at English.
>>695 I'm a native speaker, boy howdy. 'Sentence construction' is the standard idiom we use in English. But if you wanna keep on using 和製英語 and claim it's better than standard English, you be you.
>There is a technical term for this inflated self-perception, called the Dunning-Kruger effect, a cognitive bias in which incompetent people believe they are smarter than they really are. >This is because these people are unable to recognize their lack of ability. >In other words, they lack the very skills needed to recognize their own incompetence, leading them to overestimate their capabilities.
This might be the most beautifully executed boomerang I've seen in my internet life.
>>696 You are apparently a bogus "native speaker." The >>689 sentence has no problem in every aspect. And there is no need to use a grammatical term because the 689 guy states nothing about grammatical issues, regarding "sentence building capabilities." The 696 comment is apparently made by a Japanese who has poor command of English. This guy has self-proclaimed himself as a "native speaker" in the hope of gaining the upper hand. Well, as for the sentence made by 689, there is no 和製英語. So specifically point out any 和製英語, hmm, if your could lol Your use of the word "standard" is totally wrong.
i should have upgraded the rank of my credit card before leaving the company i worked for. it is difficult to pass the evaluation for the upgrade by the credit card company if you're unemployed.
>>698 Structure refers to the form: how its clauses and participles and everything else relate to each other. Construction is the set of methods and the process of putting the sentence together.
1. sentence building 2. sentense structure 3. sentence construction
1 an act of composing sentence building skill means writing skill. 2 form sentence structure worksheets sentence structure exercises 3 forming process 2 and 3, these are same if it is used in grammatical contexts.
I took refuge in Okinawa at Typhoon 19, wind little bit strong but the sky was clear and the full moon was spreading over the sky. next day is like early summer, I could swim at a beautiful beach. but the airport was very crowded with many displaced people.
i didn't know about "heat cutter（ヒートカッター）" until i saw a netizen talking about it on this site. i wanted to know how to neatly cut body hair like armpit hair or pubic hair, so i was delighted to see his post. maybe i have to give it a try.
>>720 I'm not native, but his usage of "the" is suspicious. and 和製英語、" Hudy boy", "wanna keep on" , and so on.
so if I'm native, I will write like this. ---------- I'm a native speaker. 'Sentence construction' is a standard idiom we use. But if you want to use Japanese English and claim better than standard, you be you. ---------- how do you think? Is this complete to cheat native.
This SAT sample test epitomize fiction is most difficult. Much effort is required to anatomize grammatical structure. Compared to it, the following nonfiction section is easy to read.
>>727 yep, i'm english and not australian as >>725 suggests nonetheless, australians and americans are native speakers of english and you should not ignore their advice
To me UK has chosen to be poor by pushing through Brexit. The Financial sector can move to other cities in Europe, but what's gonna happen to foreign manufacturers that built factories and other long-term investors... ?
Trump did not take any questions after his address in WH. He looked so grim...
I also noticed he does not talk about Nobel Peace Prize any longer. I guess he is gradually realizing how much he is hated by the majority of world community.
my parents came to my house this summer. they left behind a set of amulets of relationships (えんむすび) from kanda myoujin without a word. what did they expect me to do?
I firmly believe my English is better than yours. And everyone can write whatever they want. You are not supposed to tell others to refrain from commenting on you. You cannot to cherry-pick comments in this kind of anonymous communities.
>>729 Sorry; "chav" and/or "gammon", not "bogan", then.
Is mixing registers such a foreign concept for you? I mean, Private Eye does so, but perhaps in a more overtly edumacated way (more "cor blimey" than "howdy howdy I'm a rootin' tootin' cowboy") so might be not recognized as such.
>>750 im not the google translate guy himself. but id like to say to you your english is one of the poorest here in this community. and you are definitely the rudest and most annoying guy here. stop childish things and behave responsibly.
>>717 Do you mean>>696 is Japanese or something like that?
755名無しさん＠英語勉強中 (CA 0H87-IShq)2019/10/25(金) 08:52:12.03ID:BvOtAwduH
>>689 This looks fine, but my only criticism would be to not get sloppy about punctuation. Nobody cares in casual situations like this, but if you're ever in a situation where you need to write formally for any reason, you'll definitely need to use proper capitalization. That said, it's hard to judge your abilities from a single sentence alone.
>>720 Their usage of the word "idiom" is slightly off. Idioms are phrases like "piece of cake" or "beat around the bush" whose actual meanings aren't clear from the words alone. Think of ことわざ like 馬が合う and that's basically what idioms are. It doesn't make sense to call "sentence construction" an idiom, because the meaning is clear-cut and literal.
That being said, what stinks the most is their use of "boy howdy". I can't really explain it, but the way they used it here just sounds really silly and off. They could have honestly passed for native if they just said "fuck off" in place of "boy howdy".
756名無しさん＠英語勉強中 (CA 0H87-IShq)2019/10/25(金) 08:58:13.05ID:BvOtAwduH
>>755 Correction: 慣用句, not ことわざ. I'm not a native Japanese speaker so I got the two mixed up.
You seem an advanced Japanese learner. Most Japanese people do not pay attention to whether it is 慣用句 or 諺. Seeing non-native speakers who have such keen senses of choosing words makes me feel like "the scales fell from my eyes."
758名無しさん＠英語勉強中 (CA 0H87-IShq)2019/10/25(金) 12:40:22.21ID:BvOtAwduH
>>757 I do have a deep interest in Japanese, but I would also say that my Japanese sucks ass still. I've probably gotten beyond the point that most second-language learners of Japanese ever get to, but the gap between me and a native speaker still feels very, very wide. That's because the 奥深さ of Japanese is so incredible. I could probably spend my whole life studying and still only scratch the surface of the language. I rarely ever talk in Japanese, because I feel that most Japanese people would just find my shitty Japanese to be off-putting. I mostly focus on comprehension. At least it feels like I've come a long way when it comes to just understanding stuff.
On a side note, I learned another 慣用句 just now: 板につく. It came up in a video game that I'm currently playing. Every time I discover a new word or a new idiom in Japanese, I get really excited because it feels like leveling up in a video game or something. I hope that someday I will know all the 単語 and all the 慣用句 and all the 諺 and I won't have to look anything up anymore.
Yes, encountering new words keep us motivated. "The be-all and end-all" is my recent favorite. By the way, everyone will be happy to talk with you regardless of your speaking ability, I guess.
>>755 Thanks for the answer. So from what you wrote, I guess the howdy guy's post stinks but does not contain any grammatical mistakes, and it still remains that the guy could actually be a native speaker? You say his use of boy howdy is silly and off, but I think the guy himself is very silly and off so I can't tell how off it actually is. Only native speakers can.
>>753 I have never once claimed that my English is good. In fact, I've been constantly commenting on how poor my English is in this thread. As for your opinion on me, I don't care one bit what you think of me.
>>760 I'm not the native speaker you are seeking, but could provide some useful advice. In my opinion, the >>696 post contains at least one grammatically dubious element, which I will later explain. Looking at its whole, it is clear this guy is not an English native speaker. As the native speaker demonstrated in >>755, it really makes no sense to call "sentence construction" an idiom. How can a native speaker make such a stupid nonsense sentence? As for the following sentence: "'Sentence construction' is the standard idiom we use in English." This is complete gibberish. The content of the sentence does not make any sense at all. And on grammar, in my humble opinion, the article before "standard idiom" should be "a" instead of "the." In addition, the last sentence in 696 is of course incomprehensible and grammatically incorrect.
I had a strange dream just before I was awake. H was flirting with a huge woman like a man. H was a flirt even in my dream, which made me sad. So, I started with a terrible feeling yesterday. I thought I was done. I'm ok with that.
>>761 And a couple of other times in the thread, too. Seems like IDs have more churn than when it was 2ch, but it's been years since I've been active on any of the Japanese chans (now that they block non-jp IPs.)
For what it's worth, you do actually have some of the best English in the thread; how/where did you learn? I'd guess a lot of exposure to native-speaker media, possibly with [other] online interaction. There's also the opposite of Dunning-Kruger, "imposter syndrome", where the people who really are skilled have doubts that they are.
770名無しさん＠英語勉強中 (CA 0H87-IShq)2019/10/26(土) 12:25:57.03ID:S66UoEO/H
>>764 Your English is really good. Practically flawless, even. Nice.
However, I would say that there's nothing wrong with saying "the standard idiom" instead of "a standard idiom". They're both correct, but have very slightly different nuances.
I will try to explain it as best as I can. Let's say we have two phrases: for example, "kill two birds with one stone" and "kill two pigeons with one rock". Of these two, "kill two birds with one stone" is "the" standard idiom we use in English. Using "the" here carries the nuance of specifically singling out one specific item while excluding the other.
It's also correct to say that "kill two birds with one stone" is "a" standard idiom, but it doesn't carry quite the same nuance of specifically excluding another possibility.
771名無しさん＠英語勉強中 (CA 0H87-IShq)2019/10/26(土) 12:29:17.99ID:S66UoEO/H
>>770 To correct myself a bit: >Using "the" here carries the nuance of specifically singling out one specific item while excluding the other.
My use of "specifically" here was redundant. It should be:
>Using "the" here carries the nuance of singling out one specific item while excluding the other.
This just goes to show how even natives can make mistakes when they're sloppy about proofreading.
>>770 >>771 Thank you for your excellent explanation. After writing it, I did recognize by myself what exactly you have explained. Anyway, I still have a long way to go to master your native language and use it more effectively. You are THE native speaker who helps so many English learners here.
>>770 explains the differences between definite and indefinite articles pretty well. Proper article use and the differences between Japanese and English copulas were two of the big sticking points with Japanese people when I taught English for funsies. Mass nouns and subject/verb agreement were issues as well, but native English speakers also have problems with them, especially when writing academic papers.
>>764 About the howdy guy's use of the word "idiom", 755 only described it as "slightly off", so I imagine it's not so strange for a native speaker to make such a mistake, just like how some (or maybe many) people in Japan probably don't know the exact definition of the word 慣用句 (idiom).
Also, his use of the word 和製英語 could indicate a hint of aggression, and people often make mistakes (or don't care much about the detail) when they are angry/annoyed. (Although I don't think he's the type of person who gets angry over some stupid, or rather comical, argument.)
Lastly, since 755 didn't mention the last sentence at all, I assume there is nothing wrong with that sentence.
I feel kinda stupid writing this because the howdy guy has posted a couple more posts after 764 and I think it's clear that he is a native speaker.
>>775 So, you are apparently the "howdy" guy. Your argument, apparently motivated by supporting yourself, totally makes no sense. According to your weird claim, I could very easily pass off as a native speaker lol
>>769 I learned English while playing online games and reading stuff on the internet. So I mostly got good at quick chatting (which was required to play in a group) and reading non-serious online posts. It takes a huge amount of time and effort for me to write long stuff for discussion. My vocabulary is severely limited, and I can't speak English at all. So the imposter syndrome thing doesn't apply to me.
>>776 I believe that to any native speakers or even non-native speakers, the difference between the howdy guy's English and mine is clear as fire. You would lol at your own assumption if you weren't mentally ill.
This kind of forum provide fertile ground for perverts like you. The "howdy" guy, or more specifically, yourself, is a non-native speaker in any sense. I can confidently proclaim I am a way better English speaker haha.
I don't even know which is correct, "to any native speakers" or "to any native speaker". I think I read an explanation on this years ago, but this piece of knowledge didn't stick to my brain, it seems.
I assume the British guy said American and Australian people aren't native English speakers. It means the howdy guy is American, Canadian, New Zealander, or Aussie. Equal, he is a native English speaker for Japanese people.
i'm thinking about trying smoking. it seems that you need a special card called "taspo" to buy cigarettes from vending machine. and so i have to check how to get it first.
>>783 No, apparently he didn't mean that and genuinely thought >>696 was a non-native speaker. Even >>755 thinks 696 is fishy, so I guess that particular post was really strange.
>>786 >>0696 didn't say fuck off to >>0695. Because the sentence ＊I'm a native speaker＊itself has strong effect. And saying howdy might be said as sarcasm. Or he is just a calm person.
One guy is trying very hard to establish the "howdy" guy as a native speaker lol He is so crazily preoccupied with this. If he has no mental health problems, then everything points to this man himself being the "howdy" guy. No one, except himself, has any incentives to try so hard to support the idea of the "howdy" guy being a native.
>>776 Nope, I'm the howdy guy. Howdy do! Much as I enjoy watching the "who's pretending to be a native speaker" witch hunt, I don't like seeing the innocent getting falsely accused. I figured my writing style would be distinct enough to be obvious even across ID changes (as my idiolect is bit more unusual than most), but apparently not. I do wonder if my writing style makes things harder to understand.
>>787 It was more a statement of dismissal than "fuck you", per se; I'm well aware of the complete inability to convince people of much of anything on here, and that getting angry over 5ch threads is mostly pointless.
Finally it has been learned, that the howdy guy has several personas here and has been pretending to be different persons using different handles. Now he has started anew with a different handle and being completely divorced from the past haha. Poor English capabilities have left this guy humiliated lol
I was just thinking about the possibility that you were pretending to be a loony to trap me into wasting my time. But I get it now. You were butthurt about the Dunning-Kruger boomerang.
I loose interest in a guy who shags anybody especially whom I dislike. Dreams sometimes reveal our deep psyche. The one I had last night implied I shouldn't get in touch with that jerk ughhhh.
The girl discarded by her mom when she was fourteen has become strong. She doesn't need a jerky stinky rotten dig head at all uhhh. That bs 5ch fan bored me sooooo looooong. Two people died while that stupid spent time doing nothing other than 5ch! Who doesn't despise that stinky rotten idiot?! That skin & bone prosthetic nose artificial eyelids bald bamboo stick is a good match, or that stinky bald voracious ugly pig is also a good match for that skunk.
Can anybody please help me? What do you say “kumo-no-ue-no-hito” in English? Not ‘ someone on the cloud’ of course? I’ve heard it is “someone from another planet”. Is that right?
>>807 I'm a native English speaker so I'm not exactly sure what “kumo-no-ue-no-hito” means. When you say someone is "from/on another planet", you're saying that they think differently from ordinary people or aren't paying attention to what's happening around them. To have your "head in the clouds" means something similar, that you're aloof and not paying attention to what's around you.
Google seems to think “kumo-no-ue-no-hito” is about social status. If that's the case then I don't think either of these expressions work, and I don't understand it in Japanese well enough to think of a good English alternative, sorry!
>>807 https://eikaiwa.dmm.com/uknow/questions/16480/ DMM English is extremely helpful when searching appropriate English phrase. "(idioms you would like to translate like雲の上の人) dmm 英語" This almost certainly leads you to the right expression.
There's some NicoNicoDouga event going on today; I was thinking of going, but I don't know if it's worth bothering with since I don't know who any of the people are.
Depression is said to be a lifestyle-related disease, but I think it is not true. The cause may be trans fatty acids. For sweets, instant noodles, and potato chips, fried foods such as rice crackers are not good. Fast food is generally harmful. A friend who is very strong in mental but eats a lot of sweets has become depressed.
>>802 I don't think Trump sucks anyone's cock. He's the farthest thing from being a submissive dog, just like Putin. Now Abe, on the other hand, is a real cock-loving submissive dog.
What's ironic is that Putin wanted Abe to be a man rather than a shitty flattering dog that runs around him. But Abe, for some unknown reason, decided to be a shitty dog to betray his expectation. And what's scary is that there seems to be no apparent reason why Abe is acting like a stupid dog. I think this is pretty spooky actually.
>>833 Tengo algunos amigos japoneses y me han mostrado que los precios en Japón son más altos que antes. Chihuahua tiene dos ciudades (la capital y Cd. Juárez) que ya no son campo, pero siguen teniendo muchas zonas así.
<<836 Si vas a una tienda llamada Kaldi, puedes comprar chire y tortilla. En los supermercados japoneses se venden aguacates. No tienes que preocuparte por la comida.
>>838 Respecto a eso, sucede que el ejército hizo un operativo de seguridad en Culiacán, Sinaloa, un lugar que todos conocen como un lugar infestado de narcos. El operativo salió mal y los narcos subyugaron al ejército bajo amenazas. Los medios exageraron los hechos, pues estas cosas pasan muy seguido allá, incluso utilizaron videos de balaceras (shootings) previas. La realidad es que el país le pertenece a una clase política que ha estado afiliada con el narco desde los años 70.
La seguridad sigue siendo mala, pero no es tampoco como si no pudieras salir a la calle y pensar que te van a matar. Estos enfrentamientos solo ocurren cuando los narcos quieren pelearse por la plaza (fighting for the regional drug market), y siempre suelen ser entre ellos mismos y las autoridades (the police and the army), pues incluso ellos también suelen estar involucrados.
>>838 En donde vivo si hay violencia, pero la población en general está a salvo. Hay regiones donde sí prevalece la violencia 24/7, como en el sur de México en la selva y en la sierra (the mountains and forests).
>>840 >La realidad es que el país le pertenece a una clase >política que ha estado afiliada con el narco desde los años 70. Oh...Yo veo. Es por eso que muchos de los ejecutivos de los carteles de la droga son de las fuerzas de operaciones especiales. Ahora estoy tratando de leer "Cazando al Chapo". Me alegra poder hablar con mexicano. Siempre estás en este hilo?
>I can teach you Japanese if you teach me English in this chat room. I don't have line ID. So far, your English seems pretty good, but if you want to sound more natural, this should help:
"I can teach you Japanese if you teach me some English in exchange, here on this board."
The trick is to get used to different vocabulary, you can learn just by reading more and using those new words you see in your conversations.
>I can teach you Japanese if you teach me English in this chat room. I don't have line ID. So far, your English seems pretty good, but if you want to sound more natural, this should help:
"I can teach you Japanese if you teach me some English in exchange, here on this board."
The trick is to get used to different vocabulary, you can learn just by reading more and using those new words you see in your conversations.
>>836 There are very cheap grocery store called OK store and Lawson100. There are also foreign food shop called Kyodai market. But It's not so cheap. But they have south American food.
>>849 I've seen there's a difference between "written" and "spoken" Japanese vocabulary. Is there a book about this subject or a method to recognize them? For example, when to use や or とか.
>>862 ¡Oh! Eso lo explica. De todos modos sigue siendo muy bueno para ser Google Translator. ¡Te felicito! A todo esto, ¿Porqué viviste en CDMX? Esome intriga
I am concerned about Abe Jimin sucking China's cock with full force, but apparently this isn't the first time. Japan was sucking China's cock when the rest of the world was condemning the Tiananman incident or something. Something is wrong with those Jimin dogs. They need to be disciplined.
By the way, the reason why I'm repeatedly saying "sucking China's cock" is not because I like using the word cock, but because I don't know any other phrases.
>>867 Ya veo. Yo solía vivir en Monterrey hace años por el empleo de mi padre. A veces extraño la gran ciudad, aquí donde vivo es muy aburrido a comparación
>>836 I visited Ciudad Juarez once and stayed in there for a month. It was a usual, safe city. I enjoyed touching animals in the central park. Media is significantly biased.
>>876 I didn't see any crime in there. But Mexicans said that the situation was really bad several years ago. Now, it is safe. "Ciudad Juarez is the most dangerous city is the world" myth is totally wrong(Maybe it was in the past).
>>875 I mean, Cd. Juárez is still one of the most dangerous cities in Mexico, but people outside the world think it is a battlefield, when it is not. I go there from time to time and it's pretty calmed.
>>876 Not anymore, that happened during the years of the president Felipe Calderón (2006 - 2011) because he declared war against all the Mexican Cartel, which was one of the worst decisions ever made.
No shit, I remember when there was corpses hanging from the bridges in the middle of the highways in Durango.
>>878 I've never been to Cancún, but if you want to visit a place that is as good as Cancún, go visit Puerto Vallarta. This beach is fantastic and there's a lot of delicious food in the venues. I had a great time when I visited this place...
>>885 Yeah, I have a friend who lives in 羽生市 , I want to visit him next year. Also I'd like to study japanese language for a year in Japan, maybe I'll do it until 2021 if possible.
>>876 It's just what I had for the image of Mexico. And, I heard that people have to be careful not to be asked to carry a luggage by a person new to you, when getting on a bus.
>>887 Not really, anyone can go there if they want to. There's lots of fancy hotels, of course, and you can stay at any hotel you want if you pay for it. Each hotel has access to its own part of the beach but there's also free access outside the hotels.
>>888 That doesn't happen as much as before because of the improvement on security measures inside the bus stations and airports, but yeah, it's better to be cautious. Foreign tourists don't know how to recognize these thieves and they take advantage of them, I think.
i don't know how to use free public wifi and i always check internet websites with my portable wifi device. i heard that there are some bad people who try to access other people's devices in an inappropriate way through public wifi.
There were so many Chinese tourists in Namba. Everywhere. I need to learn how to say "Get out of the fucking way!" in Mandarin in the rudest way possible. If they're Chinese, they might get out of the way; if they're Japanese, they might get embarrassed at being mistaken for Chinese and maybe also get out of the way. But mostly, they'd have the enduring shame for being mistaken for a mainlander. (Hong Kongers and Taiwanese folks are fine and well-behaved in my experience.)
>>910 I think it should depend on which career do you want to take. Nowadays, american companies prefer to check the English level of their candidates through interviews or exams that they make, which are way easier than TOEIC/TOEFL.
>>912 Dude wait till tomorrow and think about that, or you'll disappointed by the amount of stars you'll get which are too few to count that people think it's dead universe... It's a trap any men could fall right after having your hair cut.
i had job interviews 3 days straight and i got tired. if i pass the interview i had this afternoon i need to prepare an english resume of my professional career. the interviewer's boss is based in korea and the english resume is required so as to get his (her?) approval.
A disproportionate number of people in sales may be extroverts who love water-cooler conversations more than selling their products. But it is often noted that the most successful salespeople are not always extroverts but often introverts who are great listeners to clients.
i went to the dentist this morning and had a cavity treated and cured. honestly i want to complain about having to go there a couple of times for only one tooth but i feel better now.
many people are talking about an american movie "joker" and i've got interested in it. it seems that the movie itself is not positive, encouraging one but you can have a chance of seriously thinking about some social issue. which movie theater should i pick out?
I don't like Japanese "nabe" hot pots. I love tempura, and sushi, and other popular dishes available at eateries, but everyday home meals in Japan are a nightmare. Although being Japanese, I prefer Thai, Vietnamese, or Chinese home-cooked cuisine more than its Japanese counterpart.
958 is probably some moron who doesn't know what he's talking about. Tempura is everyday home food. And saying you don't like nabe makes little sense. There are myriads kinds of nabe food.
I introduced Japanese food to my gaijin friend. She didn't even try to eat it because of its smell. It was natto. Unexpectedly she liked umeboshi onigiri.
I didn't watch rugby at all, but a few weeks ago I heard that some British military rugby team visited Yasukuni shrine. (and Koreans comlpained about it as usual) I respect those military people.
>>961 You need to resolve your inferiority complex haha. Well, it is imprudent to claim tempura is a everyday home dish. Nowadays, a majority of households in Japan do not cook tempura at home. There are a variety of nabe dishes that taste bad lol
I read an article about American dramas on a news paper yesterday. These days, some TV dramas are much more profitable than movies because of Netflix, Hulu, Amazon Prime, ... etc.. People binge watching those dramas. So did I before. I have to admit it's hard to stop watching good dramas. The contracts of actresses like Witherspoon and Aniston are reported that their guarantees are \200million per an episode. American dramas' scales are totally different from those of Japanese indeed. TV dramas used to be thought less quality than movies though. I feel like TV dramas now.
i feel that very few japanese famous actors, especially starring in tv dramas, learned acting when they went to school. i can not remeber the last time when i was amazed at japanese actor's performance though i almost always think they are hot or gorgeous in appearance.
>>986 what is it?? do you think you can make people accept revision of the japanese constitutional law just by laying out an artwork of two cute girls? it shouldn't be that simple.
>>986 I feel ashamed that many foreigners point out this kind of design is like porn... They are right. And yet some Japanese say "we are proud of this Japanese culture!" Naaaaaaaah!!!
>>991 Maybe not that pic. But some designs are extremely sexual. My ex-girlfriend (she was feminist-like white woman) told me that why Japanese people make that kind of sexual anime and I couldn't explain it. I just answered "Some perverts make them that's all."
>>989 I don't think it's porn, per se - but I figure that picture is perfect for its target audience: Abe lovers who want all women to be yamato nadeshiko and cute and demure and deferential. It wouldn't be a stretch to have something more blatantly misogynist or pornographic, though. (I'd prefer there to be a government page on 国民東方, myself.)
>>994 No, it's targeted at anime otakus on the net. And wearing furisode for hatsumode has nothing to do with what you said. It is a tradition. Nothing is more cringeworthy than ignorant foreigners talking about other people's cultures in a negative way. The same can be said of ignorant Japanese talking about foreign cultures too.
Once in a while I encounter foreigners who have great insight, like this Italian guy who is fluent in Japanese and has some incredibly accurate understanding of our politics. Those people are probably extremely rare, though. They were probably born with a knack to be like that, and those who were born without it stay ignorant no matter how much time they spend in a foreign country.
